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1864hatter		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 1:37:55 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 4/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 1,007 Location: Auckland.... Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 566 time(s) in 269 post(s)		Originally Posted by: dredgey the dishonest part about the auctions is the way your photos represent what you are selling, to help explain this to the simple minded folks on here instead of gold we will use cars as an example your trademe auction would be titled "car for sale" you are bidding on a car for the winner i will select one car photo is just an example then you have a photo of a yard lot of cars this includes big cars little cars old cars new cars etc or even a photo of a single nice new looking car Now i bet youd be pretty farked off if you ended up with a beat up old mini blowing smoke everywhere wouldnt you? if you recieved it you would be jumping up and down wanting a refund. I think what you guys are doing is on the right track but you are not selling what your photos show this being misleading making you fraudsters and thieves, i guess you think its alright though because its only $20 or $30. Your car analogy holds no weight whatsoever because the auction is not for a random weight (value) of gold it is for 0.100grams of gold, and this is what you are ultimately bidding on not a particular piece. This makes it perfectly clear you will recieve .100grams. With the car analogy the cars are clearly of different value and so your comment doesnt make sense. If you want to use cars lets say I have a car yard full of cars of the same value (lets say a grand) and I start $1 reserve auctions for a random car out of the lot then the winner will get a car that is worth a grand for whatever the successfull bid is. Perfectly fair if you ask me.
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goldstalker		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 1:39:44 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 11/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 454 Location: greymouth, west coast Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 67 time(s) in 57 post(s)		Originally Posted by: 1864hatter Originally Posted by: dredgey the dishonest part about the auctions is the way your photos represent what you are selling, to help explain this to the simple minded folks on here instead of gold we will use cars as an example your trademe auction would be titled "car for sale" you are bidding on a car for the winner i will select one car photo is just an example then you have a photo of a yard lot of cars this includes big cars little cars old cars new cars etc or even a photo of a single nice new looking car Now i bet youd be pretty farked off if you ended up with a beat up old mini blowing smoke everywhere wouldnt you? if you recieved it you would be jumping up and down wanting a refund. I think what you guys are doing is on the right track but you are not selling what your photos show this being misleading making you fraudsters and thieves, i guess you think its alright though because its only $20 or $30. Your car analogy holds no weight whatsoever because the auction is not for a random weight (value) of gold it is for 0.100grams of gold, and this is what you are ultimately bidding on not a particular piece. This makes it perfectly clear you will recieve .100grams. With the car analogy the cars are clearly of different value and so your comment doesnt make sense. If you want to use cars lets say I have a car yard full of cars of the same value (lets say a grand) and I start $1 reserve auctions for a random car out of the lot then the winner will get a car that is worth a grand for whatever the successfull bid is. Perfectly fair if you ask me. well put finally someone with a brain. :)

Golddigger7		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 2:40:44 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 6/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 252 Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 46 time(s) in 35 post(s)		OK, we all know that we think is wrong/right with the auction, and were entitled to our opinions, but stalker your going way lower than the rest of us, which surprises me cos I thought you appreciated intelligent comment. Alas your last comment shows your own true well thought out intelligence, blah blah blah....

goldstalker		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 3:49:24 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 11/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 454 Location: greymouth, west coast Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 67 time(s) in 57 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Golddigger7 OK, we all know that we think is wrong/right with the auction, and were entitled to our opinions, but stalker your going way lower than the rest of us, which surprises me cos I thought you appreciated intelligent comment. Alas your last comment shows your own true well thought out intelligence, blah blah blah.... all i can say is i had some abuse all this week from trademe and on here from particular people so im going straight for the jugular, like you say we all have an opinion and sometimes there better off kept to yourself :) i feel better now had a joint....

gingerbreadman		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 6:01:50 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 19/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 473 Location: south of the black stump Thanks: 34 times Was thanked: 96 time(s) in 74 post(s)		I think its been pretty interesting really to see different opinions ''which should be respected'' definatly 2 eather for or against these auctions ....i think evry single person bidding has a computer at there finger tips which as we all no takes all of 5 seconds to google whats what so really i think if the weight etc has been stipulated the feed back in the end must say it all.

oroplata		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 6:45:05 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered, Moderators Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,040 Location: Christchurch Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 211 time(s) in 152 post(s)		Originally Posted by: goldstalker i just think all you complainers are jelous simple.......if people dont take time to read auctions properly befroe they bid and ask any relivant questions before bidding its there own fault :) nothing illegal going on so try it out yourself cant beat em join em i say. We're actually "complaining" because what you're doing ultimately risks your reputation (both on TM and here), something you will only ever have one of. My feeling is that there are plenty of ways to scam the innocent on trademe, and what you two are doing is a mild form of it. Due to poor maths ability, many people will write prices as $4.50c - which is incorrect because you can't have two different denominations attached to one number. Doing the above automatically leads people to write 50c as 0.50c - which is incorrect as that is really "half a cent". These same people will look at .100g and ignore the decimal point on the front thinking that maybe it's there because they're used to seeing things denominated in kg's. For scorpio, I think you are taking advantage of these people by listing weights as .100g - there would be far less confusion if you put 0.1g or even better, 100mg - just to point out just how goddam small the amount of gold is that you're selling. For goldstalker, you have seen the profit potential of scorpio's auctions, and have lowered the bar even further by not even listing a weight in the auction, and sticking a zoom photo with a ruler (is that inches, cm, or mm?). I can see the dollar signs in your eyes from way over here on the other coast. Just as we have been discussing a detectorist's "code of conduct" that requires the filling in of holes, maybe we need a "Trademe Gold Sellers" code of conduct (like that enforced by the Numismatic Dealers) when auction descriptions need to be accurate and not misleading? May I suggest you start the auction at the current "melt value" of the gold, or state that on the auctions. Yes, yes, it's all buyer beware, but do you guys really want the reputation as unscrupulous gold sellers willing to take advantage of the naive?
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under the bedrock		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 6:48:09 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 6/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 116 Location: invercargill Was thanked: 14 time(s) in 13 post(s)		Originally Posted by: goldstalker Originally Posted by: Golddigger7 OK, we all know that we think is wrong/right with the auction, and were entitled to our opinions, but stalker your going way lower than the rest of us, which surprises me cos I thought you appreciated intelligent comment. Alas your last comment shows your own true well thought out intelligence, blah blah blah.... all i can say is i had some abuse all this week from trademe and on here from particular people so im going straight for the jugular, like you say we all have an opinion and sometimes there better off kept to yourself :) i feel better now had a joint.... so was the joint Coromandel Gold or just silver pearl?

dredgey		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 7:00:21 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 24/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Takaka Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Originally Posted by: oroplata Originally Posted by: goldstalker i just think all you complainers are jelous simple.......if people dont take time to read auctions properly befroe they bid and ask any relivant questions before bidding its there own fault :) nothing illegal going on so try it out yourself cant beat em join em i say. We're actually "complaining" because what you're doing ultimately risks your reputation (both on TM and here), something you will only ever have one of. My feeling is that there are plenty of ways to scam the innocent on trademe, and what you two are doing is a mild form of it. Due to poor maths ability, many people will write prices as $4.50c - which is incorrect because you can't have two different denominations attached to one number. Doing the above automatically leads people to write 50c as 0.50c - which is incorrect as that is really "half a cent". These same people will look at .100g and ignore the decimal point on the front thinking that maybe it's there because they're used to seeing things denominated in kg's. For scorpio, I think you are taking advantage of these people by listing weights as .100g - there would be far less confusion if you put 0.1g or even better, 100mg - just to point out just how goddam small the amount of gold is that you're selling. For goldstalker, you have seen the profit potential of scorpio's auctions, and have lowered the bar even further by not even listing a weight in the auction, and sticking a zoom photo with a ruler (is that inches, cm, or mm?). I can see the dollar signs in your eyes from way over here on the other coast. Just as we have been discussing a detectorist's "code of conduct" that requires the filling in of holes, maybe we need a "Trademe Gold Sellers" code of conduct (like that enforced by the Numismatic Dealers) when auction descriptions need to be accurate and not misleading? May I suggest you start the auction at the current "melt value" of the gold, or state that on the auctions. Yes, yes, it's all buyer beware, but do you guys really want the reputation as unscrupulous gold sellers willing to take advantage of the naive? well put oroplata, and yes goldstalkers auction deffinately lowered the bar a long way, dosent mater if its $10 or $10,000 its still scamming/stealing just people are probly not gonna be bothered doing anything about lossing $10. I think the way they are listing it is to make it sound as large as you could make a tiny amount sound the "mg" is deffinately the most appropriate weight these auctions should be advertised as. by the looks of goldstalkers comment he is just another delusional stoner so no thought has or ever will go into his auctions hope his dealer starts selling in .350gram lots and gets a premium from him. also how many of these buyers do you think have even seen natural gold in person or even know the size of 100mg of gold? definatly taking advantage of the naive. Edited by user Thursday, 25 October 2012 7:03:29 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

goldstalker		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 7:08:36 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 11/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 454 Location: greymouth, west coast Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 67 time(s) in 57 post(s)		Originally Posted by: oroplata Originally Posted by: goldstalker i just think all you complainers are jelous simple.......if people dont take time to read auctions properly befroe they bid and ask any relivant questions before bidding its there own fault :) nothing illegal going on so try it out yourself cant beat em join em i say. We're actually "complaining" because what you're doing ultimately risks your reputation (both on TM and here), something you will only ever have one of. My feeling is that there are plenty of ways to scam the innocent on trademe, and what you two are doing is a mild form of it. Due to poor maths ability, many people will write prices as $4.50c - which is incorrect because you can't have two different denominations attached to one number. Doing the above automatically leads people to write 50c as 0.50c - which is incorrect as that is really "half a cent". These same people will look at .100g and ignore the decimal point on the front thinking that maybe it's there because they're used to seeing things denominated in kg's. For scorpio, I think you are taking advantage of these people by listing weights as .100g - there would be far less confusion if you put 0.1g or even better, 100mg - just to point out just how goddam small the amount of gold is that you're selling. For goldstalker, you have seen the profit potential of scorpio's auctions, and have lowered the bar even further by not even listing a weight in the auction, and sticking a zoom photo with a ruler (is that inches, cm, or mm?). I can see the dollar signs in your eyes from way over here on the other coast. Just as we have been discussing a detectorist's "code of conduct" that requires the filling in of holes, maybe we need a "Trademe Gold Sellers" code of conduct (like that enforced by the Numismatic Dealers) when auction descriptions need to be accurate and not misleading? May I suggest you start the auction at the current "melt value" of the gold, or state that on the auctions. Yes, yes, it's all buyer beware, but do you guys really want the reputation as unscrupulous gold sellers willing to take advantage of the naive? lol your funny

goldstalker		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 7:12:27 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 11/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 454 Location: greymouth, west coast Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 67 time(s) in 57 post(s)		Originally Posted by: dredgey Originally Posted by: oroplata Originally Posted by: goldstalker i just think all you complainers are jelous simple.......if people dont take time to read auctions properly befroe they bid and ask any relivant questions before bidding its there own fault :) nothing illegal going on so try it out yourself cant beat em join em i say. We're actually "complaining" because what you're doing ultimately risks your reputation (both on TM and here), something you will only ever have one of. My feeling is that there are plenty of ways to scam the innocent on trademe, and what you two are doing is a mild form of it. Due to poor maths ability, many people will write prices as $4.50c - which is incorrect because you can't have two different denominations attached to one number. Doing the above automatically leads people to write 50c as 0.50c - which is incorrect as that is really "half a cent". These same people will look at .100g and ignore the decimal point on the front thinking that maybe it's there because they're used to seeing things denominated in kg's. For scorpio, I think you are taking advantage of these people by listing weights as .100g - there would be far less confusion if you put 0.1g or even better, 100mg - just to point out just how goddam small the amount of gold is that you're selling. For goldstalker, you have seen the profit potential of scorpio's auctions, and have lowered the bar even further by not even listing a weight in the auction, and sticking a zoom photo with a ruler (is that inches, cm, or mm?). I can see the dollar signs in your eyes from way over here on the other coast. Just as we have been discussing a detectorist's "code of conduct" that requires the filling in of holes, maybe we need a "Trademe Gold Sellers" code of conduct (like that enforced by the Numismatic Dealers) when auction descriptions need to be accurate and not misleading? May I suggest you start the auction at the current "melt value" of the gold, or state that on the auctions. Yes, yes, it's all buyer beware, but do you guys really want the reputation as unscrupulous gold sellers willing to take advantage of the naive? well put oroplata, and yes goldstalkers auction deffinately lowered the bar a long way, dosent mater if its $10 or $10,000 its still scamming/stealing just people are probly not gonna be bothered doing anything about lossing $10. I think the way they are listing it is to make it sound as large as you could make a tiny amount sound the "mg" is deffinately the most appropriate weight these auctions should be advertised as. by the looks of goldstalkers comment he is just another delusional stoner so no thought has or ever will go into his auctions hope his dealer starts selling in .350gram lots and gets a premium from him. also how many of these buyers do you think have even seen natural gold in person or even know the size of 100mg of gold? definatly taking advantage of the naive. lol at you dredgey hahaha get a life you guys are funny good luck in life you will sure need it. im selling one measley pinch not 20 auctions, like i said in past posts this is a one off for me, i sell my gold for a good price localy and arnt willing to risk negative feedback on trademe so try piss take someone else as i dont give a shit midget lol

overdog		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 8:05:01 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Medals: Groups: Registered Joined: 2/03/2010(UTC) Posts: 418 Location: nelson Thanks: 69 times Was thanked: 82 time(s) in 68 post(s)		Oh ffs... thats enough. I dont care who started it-wait til your father gets home! Bloody kids...

oroplata		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 8:24:50 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered, Moderators Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,040 Location: Christchurch Thanks: 23 times Was thanked: 211 time(s) in 152 post(s)		Just heading off to hide under the bed.
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goldstalker		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 9:10:55 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 11/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 454 Location: greymouth, west coast Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 67 time(s) in 57 post(s)		lol who knew a gold forum could be so fun haha

Lammerlaw		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 11:06:33 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		To quote General Sir Charles Munro when he went to Gallipoli to examine the battlefield with the object in mind of making a recommendation to continue the battle or to a plan a withdraw with the minimal loss of life - he visited three fronts I believe then turned to his Aide de Camp and said the most profound words ever spoken during the First World War - "This is just like Alice in Wonderland - curiouser and curiouser. I find this thread to be curious! Firstly I think it is a rip off and that people are confused - I perfectly well know the weight of gold and when I saw the listings I thought the vendor had made an error but apparently not. I think that he is selling by using a subtle psychology in which the potential buyers actually confuse themselves and believe that they are getting a fair deal. Part of my conscience would never allow me to do that...EVER. At the same time I dont think the vendor is purposely ripping people off but I think that the people are ripping themselves off - I know that sounds strange but just my mind set! A fair few of the forum members have had a fossick on my place but if this vendor wanted to I might think twice as I really dont like the thought of giving people gold from my place only to have them profiteering to this extend out of it. On the other hand he has fairly stated that the weight is .156 gram or grams which is fair enough I think and he has started at $1 reserve so those who buy suck themselves in to a certain degree - if they did not bid each otherup to well over the market price then I have no doubt that the vendor would honour his obligation to sell at less than the market price. It is a simple fact that if people really want items then the market price is immaterial - I purchased a firearm for $6600 last year knowing full well that its retail value was only half that - why did I do it? Because I wanted it! Edited by user Thursday, 25 October 2012 11:17:29 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

Scorpio		Posted : Thursday, 25 October 2012 11:19:47 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Nugget Groups: Registered Joined: 2/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 83 Location: Auckland Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 52 time(s) in 29 post(s)		Let the Proof be in my feedback and let the customers decided instead of us :) Had one guy come around to pick up 4 auctions tonight cause he wants to melt it into bars and he was short just that amount. Shake hands and happy :) Others all seem to know the price of gold anyways or ask before bidding as a few have, But they pay what want for "there" needs. Also as mentioned before next batch will have a 2nd photo showing the size the auction is for as well as the picture of the batch. lammerlaw i really don't want to argue at all with you. but i don't think its a rip off.. please let the feedback talk for it self.. if its bad then you can all go at me lol :) But i really don't think it will be / has been . :) EDIT! just saw your extra paragraph. Yes i am doing single and double nuggets of certain sizes too at $1. But i think you have it right ... If people want it they will pay what ever "they" deem acceptable to get there hands on it. Also i have little no money right now... I asked about learning to mine gold and asked if i could go to a claim to try ( i thank you and 1 other for answering) but after that i relised i needed my own money to ever get started / get my own claim so i started something else AFTER i asked you. Dont think im a bad person or here to rip off anyone, ive been ripped off before many times and know what its like. I asked to be able to go to someones claim to learn to mine to one day i can do it one my own claim and i was honest about that. Do you still feel i am a bad person lammerlaw ? Edited by user Thursday, 25 October 2012 11:27:10 PM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

madsonicboating		Posted : Friday, 26 October 2012 12:28:08 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 21/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 674 Thanks: 187 times Was thanked: 157 time(s) in 127 post(s)		Originally Posted by: overdog Oh ffs... thats enough. I dont care who started it-wait til your father gets home! Bloody kids... lmao (thats "laughing my arse off" for you "older" gen fossickers ;) god I used to hear that a lot growing up...
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gavin		Posted : Friday, 26 October 2012 12:00:29 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Administrators, Registered Joined: 20/02/2010(UTC) Posts: 1,326 Location: Christchurch Thanks: 736 times Was thanked: 535 time(s) in 287 post(s)		Originally Posted by: overdog Oh ffs... thats enough. I dont care who started it-wait til your father gets home! Bloody kids... Well put! :P
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digahole!!		Posted : Friday, 26 October 2012 5:24:47 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Nugget Groups: Registered Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 89 Location: chch Thanks: 19 times Was thanked: 47 time(s) in 28 post(s)		I had decided not to post anything here, until I read the thread on Arrowtown 150th, I thought it might provoke some of the other users of this forum, to remember why they first got into prospecting, (FUN) was it with your father, brother, uncle, sister etc, down by the river with a pan, hoping to see that first glint in the pan!! I'd hate to see what happens if gold goes to $3000 an ounce!

Lammerlaw		Posted : Friday, 26 October 2012 10:21:37 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Scorpio Let the Proof be in my feedback and let the customers decided instead of us :) Had one guy come around to pick up 4 auctions tonight cause he wants to melt it into bars and he was short just that amount. Shake hands and happy :) Others all seem to know the price of gold anyways or ask before bidding as a few have, But they pay what want for "there" needs. Also as mentioned before next batch will have a 2nd photo showing the size the auction is for as well as the picture of the batch. lammerlaw i really don't want to argue at all with you. but i don't think its a rip off.. please let the feedback talk for it self.. if its bad then you can all go at me lol :) But i really don't think it will be / has been . :) EDIT! just saw your extra paragraph. Yes i am doing single and double nuggets of certain sizes too at $1. But i think you have it right ... If people want it they will pay what ever "they" deem acceptable to get there hands on it. Also i have little no money right now... I asked about learning to mine gold and asked if i could go to a claim to try ( i thank you and 1 other for answering) but after that i relised i needed my own money to ever get started / get my own claim so i started something else AFTER i asked you. Dont think im a bad person or here to rip off anyone, ive been ripped off before many times and know what its like. I asked to be able to go to someones claim to learn to mine to one day i can do it one my own claim and i was honest about that. Do you still feel i am a bad person lammerlaw ? I dont think - it hurts my brain to think - I listen to a persons words and they go in one ear and out the other - I look into a persons eyes and see their heart - it is only then that I know whether they are good people or bad people - I have to actually meet a perosna nd spend some time with them to truly know - it must be the gypsy in me! You can also leanr heaps I guess by what they write to you and write on here - a couple of people on here I have developed a kinship to and a friendship with via the internet - Kiwikeith I have met and not a better friend could a bloke wish for and another couple I look forward to meeting as I know them to be straight shooters through what they contribute and say. As for having a go at you - not really my idea of fun - I let others do that if thats their nature - I have been involved in my own disputes on this forum and can do without them. I honestly do not know - I dont honestly know whether your sales ploy is right or wrong either - I think that there are people who do not think about the value and who think that they are perhaps getting gold at the 'going price'or close to it when in reality they can do far better buying elsewhere - some will be happy in their ignorance as to the actual value of what they get and others will work it out and feel they have been cheated. In the end it relects in feedback. I am one of those silly sods who would put something like .xyz gram gold flake - abc grains value today $6.50 and then start the auction at the $1 reserve maybe and then it is most certainly the buyers own fault if they let the underbidder push them up to several times the value and not one person can have a pick at you.

fastangler		Posted : Sunday, 28 October 2012 6:55:44 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Nugget Groups: Registered Joined: 1/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 37 Location: christchurch Thanks: 17 times Was thanked: 14 time(s) in 9 post(s)		my dear scorpio i just noticed that youve got another 20 or so actions up,i was giving you the benifit of the doubt but youre just taking the piss we are lovers of gold and the outdoors on this forum,we're fossickers not merchants who take pleasure in preying on the dumb and ignorant why sell it in such small amounts when you have plenty of it -greed pure and simple,keep it at .100 and anytime someone bids the price goes up $5 per g Edited by user Monday, 29 October 2012 11:30:04 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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