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gavin  
Posted : Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:28:56 PM(UTC)
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Just came across this recent article in the Otago Daily Times:

http://www.odt.co.nz/your-town/bannockburn/127917/father-and-son-convicted-removing-gold-tailings

I guess we need to be careful when fossicking around old sites, just in case!
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Posted : Tuesday, 28 September 2010 1:47:33 PM(UTC)
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I feel sorry for those poor farmers, i mean its just a pile of old rocks!!!! If it had been an old miners hut they destroyed then a conviction would be justified but this is insanity. essentially this is a pile of refuse left by inconsiderate miners, these days mines are required to restore the landscape to a close to orignal condition. for some reason just becaue this bit of "environmental destruction is 100 years old its agood thing that requires a law to protect it??

Crazy world,

Sorry about the ranting by the way.

Edited by user Tuesday, 28 September 2010 1:48:59 PM(UTC)  | Reason: spelling

And now....On sandy beaches and muddy soil, rings and coins await my coil!
nzgold  
Posted : Tuesday, 28 September 2010 2:38:21 PM(UTC)
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Yep 1864hatter, It is a total crock of S**t. I agree that some of the most unique and significant workings need to have, say the most impressive section fenced off and conserved, even if they had a dozen different small conserved historic sites in Otago, and some on West coast too. But this is way OTT.
I guess you shouldn't fill in any detecting dig holes, because in 100 years time they won't be classed as landscape scars, but as a historic site that must be protected at all cost. Man the oldtimers who biffed those rocks into a pile would be shaking their heads at this and saying "What a buch of nutcases" If they could see what was happening today.

I wish I were a rabbit. At least then I could dig a hole without consent, eat what and where I wanted, and take a crap wherever I felt like it.
Freedom!... LOL :)
Anyway, I'd better stop spewing all of this rambling onto the computer screen.....
Happy Hunting :)
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criticol  
Posted : Tuesday, 28 September 2010 2:56:41 PM(UTC)
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Hysterical historians having a hissy fit?

Now, what happens about those old piles of rocks that Nature placed so pictorially all over the World in days long gone by?
These rocks may be millions of years old, so they have to be of historical significance, don’t they?
Be careful what you dig into guys, big brother is watching!

Cheers---Colin.
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Posted : Saturday, 16 October 2010 7:26:08 AM(UTC)
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I once heard an old California logger bitterly complaining that their logging operation had been shut down because it was deemed by authorities to be the site of a historic logging camp and full of irreplaceable artefacts. He said had they known, they would have buried their garbage somewhere else when he logged the area when he was young.
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Posted : Sunday, 17 October 2010 8:06:35 AM(UTC)
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As much as I hate a "told you so" story, this is pretty close to one. A while ago, I mentioned the perils of detecting and disturbing anything that the Historic Places Trust determines as "historic". That is, anything over 100 years old, so basically anything that was developed before October 1910, we have to be very careful about where we go, where we dig, even if we own the property. If you get caught digging up signals around those old Central Otago stone hut ruins, I think you would be lucky not to get done in the courts and you may get a mention on these pages.

It is sad that the two guys were under the impression that the tailings were less than 100 years old but methinks it pays to check. I'm surrounded by gold workings here in Blenheim but I can't detect them as they are all protected by the Department of Consternation and the HPT.

Is it time for us to be the flag bearers for honest endeavours? We may be able to plead ignorance about the laws of the land, but we are all grown ups though my wife begs to differ at times. We do not want our hobby to be under scrutiny for all the wrong reasons.

Summers coming, the rivers are starting to fall again and gear to make ready.

Stay safe, stay legal but enjoy this past time,

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Posted : Sunday, 17 October 2010 10:18:59 AM(UTC)
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Hi Dave.

Hammer squarely on the nail with your report!

This Historic thingamajiggy stuff has got me wondering.

I'm 73. So when I reach 100, do I get a free reconditioning,and/or a new paint job as a historic item?

Maybe I will have to apply just beforehand.

Do you think that I will have a case?

Of course you have to realise that the world today is full of persons who think that they know everything thats good for other less fortunates,but dont really know how to apply the intricate ins and outs of their own jobs, except to stuff things up for others.

Regards and cheers---Colin.

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Posted : Monday, 18 October 2010 11:08:38 PM(UTC)
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(I am not a lawyer matters stated below are my personal opinion)

I think the problem is when someone owns property they are not aware of in what way they own it exactly.

There is a way you can actually legally own the land everything on it and underneath it and the state cannot take it from you or have any say to what is and it not your property on that land.

In case you are interested how teamlaw I know it seems like all of our laws in different countries are different but no. They all have the same basis and there are different types of law that can only be applied to certain things.

common law
statutory law (for corporations)
the law of the sea

Also explained here

The trick is the state has fooled us into thinking all of these laws apply to us and also to get us to act in what ever capacity that allows them to apply any law to us as human beings.

Once you are aware of the rules you can play the game without breaking the law.
Lammerlaw  
Posted : Wednesday, 25 May 2011 5:02:34 PM(UTC)
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This is one of those topics not to get me started on - it was once a pioneer country where the pioneer spirit held sway and from which men went off to fight in two World Wars to ensure our freedom - a freedom that is quickly getting eroded by inane and insane restrictions. Historic in Europe generally refers to just that...hundreds of years old. Elements of my family apparently still inhabit the farm the family has lived on for 500 years! over here they go gaa gaa if its over 100 years old!
This country is not a democracy and I once heard that this country is actually being used as an experiment in the subjugation of the masses by the gradual erosion of their rights until it is too late to do anything about it. The over educated text book
'experts' in the various Departments like the Dept of Constipation enforce stupid laws. Interestingly enough a flood can carry away piles of old tailings, trees can grow over them and more or less destroy them and the government itself can allow the huge corporations who crawl up the politicians rear ends and vice versa to build dams and flood thousands of acres of historic land and yet we cannot take away a few tailings - thanks goodness the gate to my place is locked so that I can monitor who does and who does not go there. my pet hate is stuffed up politically correct halfwits...rave over.
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Posted : Thursday, 26 May 2011 1:00:54 PM(UTC)
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Not enough of a rant in my opinion!In the short time I've been in Godzone I have definitely noticed the slow introduction of some REALLY stupid and politically correct crap.
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Posted : Thursday, 26 May 2011 2:24:44 PM(UTC)
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Geeze guys!, great rants/raves and opinion.
Thread nearly needs to be a semi-'sticky' (if that's the correct 'Forum' terminology?).
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Posted : Thursday, 26 May 2011 2:39:46 PM(UTC)
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i remember this article, i think there was a bit of doubt wether the stones were over 100 years old. i guess the lesson would be if you have any old piles of stones that are approaching 100 you should sort them out!

its a shame that such a pile of stones is always going to remain in the same sort of state. at the same time its a pity that real historic stuff like buildings are left to collapse and disappear into the ground. i don't see any historic places people prosecuting farmers when they let their livestock shelter in old huts and push the stones over.

sounds like a money grabbing exercise really. historic places gets $10k. wonder what they spent that on?

i respect the concept of what the historic places act stands for and is trying to protect but this looks like just another case of governmental bollocks. its always a shame when the real goods get demolished and the historic places guys allow it.

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Posted : Thursday, 26 May 2011 3:04:24 PM(UTC)
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This ty0e of topic gets me mad - in this sick country you have NO rights, none at all. As I said above - this country is a trial country for the subjugation of the masses - call it a conspiracy theory? - I dont think so - when I was a 16 year kid you could - walk down the main street to your fathers car with the new rifle you bought in the gunshop, you could go down the sandhills digging Maori artifacts, you didnt need a seat belt, you could smoke where you saw fit, you could dig for bottles, 99% of cops were human - kicked your arse and gave you a warning, paid half a crown or was it five bob and you had your prospectors licence, paid a nominal fee and got a mining licence, I could go on ad infinitum, no great lists of rules regulations, impositions and restrictions...your rights are slowly getting eroded. If you want to reverse this crimninal trend then get rid of the government and put in an entirely new one which will not bow to pressure from their overseas masters, the Federal reserve and Co...these people who are there now do not serve us - not at all. Their job is to get us under rule of thumb before we wake up to what going on.
The strange thing is that history is in the making all the time - buildings get built, then pulled down after they have served their purpose, tailing heaps get eroded, cattle flatten them down over time, weeds shrubs and trees prize the rocks apart and frost breaks them down. New Zealand hardly has a history. Personally I think that places like the Hysterical Places Trust should be held entirely responsible for every place they place a historical caveat over - maintenance, liability if they collapse etc.
As for the poor father and son - they only made one mistake - they got caught!
Hasnt anyone noticed how up in Central Otago rich sods buy up large then flatten tailings etc to put in vineyards - but that is different - there is a rule for the rich and another for those who cannot afford to defend themselves.
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Posted : Thursday, 26 May 2011 3:19:16 PM(UTC)
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Fully agree

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