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what kind of permit do you need

petetsw		Posted : Monday, 13 June 2011 7:27:03 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 7/06/2010(UTC) Posts: 28 Location: nelson Thanks: 3 times Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Hi guys do you know what kind of permit you need for having a dredging claim?? my mate want to get one so he can be sure to have a place to go to. he has 2 places of interest but 1 is in a national park so i think he can flag that one away. on the other spot we are taking in a dredge to see how much we get per day and find out if it is worth getting the claim or not. any advice would be welcome. cheers pete

1864hatter		Posted : Monday, 13 June 2011 10:54:48 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 4/08/2010(UTC) Posts: 1,007 Location: Auckland.... Thanks: 49 times Was thanked: 566 time(s) in 269 post(s)		Im not an expert on the subject, but i know that you are not legally allowed to dredge anywhere unless you have a claim. Nor are you allowed to fossick in any place other than publick fossicking areas. To get a claim which i have looked into costs 1000's there are two kinds one is a prospecting and the other a mining license. I gave up at the point where i was told it costs a lot of money to get a claim as i dont have much of a disposable income. Basically if you are guna have a test run with your dredge make sure you are alone... Edited by user Monday, 13 June 2011 10:55:37 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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Ted		Posted : Tuesday, 14 June 2011 4:20:06 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Dust Groups: Registered Joined: 4/04/2011(UTC) Posts: 3 Location: Motueka Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Be carefull. I applied for a mining permit,after 6 months with no reply i went into river to do some sampling with dredge,doc reported me for illegal mining(iwas not on doc land)Crown Minerals declined my permit. Ted
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auldrider		Posted : Tuesday, 14 June 2011 5:34:59 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 28/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 16 Location: Otematata, North Otago, South Island, New Zealand. Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s)		You are supposed to have everything settled (like access with landholder etc) before the application is made too! None of the large applications such as Glass Earth etc do this but still get them granted, how and why? .... ? Money obviously talks! How do I know this? I know plenty of land owners and occupiers who have no idea that there is a claim on their property! One rule for them, another rule for us .... go figure!
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Lammerlaw		Posted : Tuesday, 14 June 2011 5:46:23 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 72 times Was thanked: 579 time(s) in 396 post(s)		auldrider wrote: You are supposed to have everything settled (like access with landholder etc) before the application is made too! None of the large applications such as Glass Earth etc do this but still get them granted, how and why? .... ? Money obviously talks! How do I know this? I know plenty of land owners and occupiers who have no idea that there is a claim on their property! One rule for them, another rule for us .... go figure! Yes you are quite right about what you say - there is one rule for the wealthy but it is all polictical - ie the gold form Macraes is sold overseas and all we get out of it is wages and contracts. In other words it is not gold mining for the good of New Zealand as a whole - it is actually the ravaging of our country for the benefit of the off shore money masters. I was told that one inidivdual had a mining licence over part of my place at one stage and I merely said to my informant to pass on the information that if he tried to gain entry he would have a trespass notice served on him. I never heard another thing. Glass Earth came to see me personally and the matter of entry for testing etc was discussed and all activities or operations are with the cooperation of the land owner or occupier. In the case of an individual an approach to a land owner in the same manner in which Glass Earth approached me would be in order. There should be a graduated scale of fees for applications depending on the requirement of each application. ie big outfits like Glass Earth have to pay highest fees. Small weekend enthusiasts should pay a token gesture for a restricted mining licence which was restricted to size of dredge (graduated fees here ie licence to operate four inch dredge incurs a slightly smaller fee than a 6inch etc) Restriction of size of claim to say 1k of river at any one time. In the case of the latter after they have worked out their 1k then the claim is tranfserrable to the next 1k. All claimants should however have to pay bond to land owner for damage to land in event of any costs incurred to landowner due to claimants negligence, carelessness or otherwise. Bond to state, insurance for public liability with fire cover included. Small time operators applications should go to an equivalent of the wardens court and would incur low fees - say $200 to $500 with an annual fee renewal cost to ensure that they worked their claim, say $500 per annum - that is just over 1/4ounce of gold. Edited by user Tuesday, 14 June 2011 5:55:46 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

harrop		Posted : Thursday, 16 June 2011 5:18:20 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 23 Location: greymouth Was thanked: 4 time(s) in 4 post(s)		You have to have a mining permit($3200). If your motor is less than 6hp you don't need a resource consent(1000$min)providing you don't dam the creek, take out any banks with vegetation on them and the water has to be a certain turbity 200mteres downstream ,not a prob usually provided you are in a decent sized creek. If your motor is less than 5hp you don't need a right of access agreement($200) from doc. My motor is 6.5hp I guess if they were gunna get anal about it that could be a problem so I took the sticker off the motor. lol

Ted		Posted : Thursday, 16 June 2011 5:37:00 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Dust Groups: Registered Joined: 4/04/2011(UTC) Posts: 3 Location: Motueka Was thanked: 2 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Can you give us a bit more info on your comment about land access with doc,is this for all doc ground such as national parks. Ted
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harrop		Posted : Thursday, 16 June 2011 5:49:04 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 23 Location: greymouth Was thanked: 4 time(s) in 4 post(s)		Ted wrote: Can you give us a bit more info on your comment about land access with doc,is this for all doc ground such as national parks. Ted Im not 100% sure if that includes NPs but I will ask the guy who bys our gold as he's a mine of info if you pardon the pun lol

gingerbreadman		Posted : Thursday, 16 June 2011 6:29:03 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 19/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 473 Location: south of the black stump Thanks: 34 times Was thanked: 96 time(s) in 74 post(s)		harrop wrote: You have to have a mining permit($3200). If your motor is less than 6hp you don't need a resource consent(1000$min)providing you don't dam the creek, take out any banks with vegetation on them and the water has to be a certain turbity 200mteres downstream ,not a prob usually provided you are in a decent sized creek. If your motor is less than 5hp you don't need a right of access agreement($200) from doc. My motor is 6.5hp I guess if they were gunna get anal about it that could be a problem so I took the sticker off the motor. lol The rule,s change from district to distict ie: west coast,otago,southland,marlborough they all have different rule,s if you want to find out pete best just to ring you local council and they will say what the go is with regards to reasorse consent. also doc have land all over the show a lot of ground they dont even no what is or isnt there,s can get a bit messy. Edited by user Thursday, 16 June 2011 6:32:15 AM(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

harrop		Posted : Thursday, 16 June 2011 8:14:53 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 23 Location: greymouth Was thanked: 4 time(s) in 4 post(s)		The rule,s change from district to distict ie: west coast,otago,southland,marlborough they all have different rule,s if you want to find out pete best just to ring you local council and they will say what the go is with regards to reasorse consent. also doc have land all over the show a lot of ground they dont even no what is or isnt there,s can get a bit messy. Very true. The other thing I forgot to mention is there is an annual fee of $500 for up to 50ha and then over that the fee is worked out per ha. I had a copy of the ROA agreement from doc and you seriously would need to be someone like David Attenbrough to fill it out properly. Every year you also have to file a gold return to Crown minerals which is pretty easy and if you earn over a certain amount you have to pay royalties. I wish I could say I'm having to pay royalties but I dont' get anywhere near enough gold for that. YET!:)

kiwijw		Posted : Thursday, 16 June 2011 6:28:25 PM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 28/03/2010(UTC) Posts: 1,152 Thanks: 92 times Was thanked: 658 time(s) in 324 post(s)		G'day Harrop, Welcome to the site. I like your thinking regarding removing the sticker on your motor. My thought would be to replace it with a lower rating horse power sticker. LOL :) As to telling crown minerals how much gold you pull out of your claim you would just have to tell them the absolute truth......wouldnt you???.......NOT :) Happy hnting JW :)

harrop		Posted : Friday, 17 June 2011 4:59:29 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 23 Location: greymouth Was thanked: 4 time(s) in 4 post(s)		kiwijw wrote: G'day Harrop, Welcome to the site. I like your thinking regarding removing the sticker on your motor. My thought would be to replace it with a lower rating horse power sticker. LOL :) As to telling crown minerals how much gold you pull out of your claim you would just have to tell them the absolute truth......wouldnt you???.......NOT :) Happy hnting JW :) Like your way of thinking John. The 1st bit of prospecting gear I got was off you it was one of your sluices and a crevice sucker. I have since converted the sluice to a concentrator with a little submersible pump. Got sick of carting buckets of concentrates out of the scrub. I now only cart out a cup full. If your ever down this way be sure to look me up. It's always good talking to fellow addicts:)

kiwijw		Posted : Friday, 17 June 2011 10:00:32 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Ingot Groups: Registered Joined: 28/03/2010(UTC) Posts: 1,152 Thanks: 92 times Was thanked: 658 time(s) in 324 post(s)		Hi there Harrop, Glad to hear the sluice is still surving you well. Are you using a bilge pump with it or a petrol motor/pump?? I have made a 2" & 3" suction nozzle dredge set up compatable with my little box. Keeps it quite small & back packable into remote spots. I havnt been out for a while now as the weather in the weekends has been crap. This weekend is shaping up to be the same with rain starting to fall as I tap the key boards. BUGGER. I am awaiting the deliverey of a real grunty bilge pump that I am hoping will run my 2" suction nozzle & hopefuly the 3". I also have a plan for a bilge pump to run my 4" suction nozzle in the way of a subsurface type dredge. Similar to this little 3" set up but a 4" version. Happy hunting JW

harrop		Posted : Wednesday, 22 June 2011 7:48:17 AM(UTC)
Rank: Gold Flake Groups: Registered Joined: 16/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 23 Location: greymouth Was thanked: 4 time(s) in 4 post(s)		kiwijw wrote: Hi there Harrop, Glad to hear the sluice is still surving you well. Are you using a bilge pump with it or a petrol motor/pump?? I have made a 2" & 3" suction nozzle dredge set up compatable with my little box. Keeps it quite small & back packable into remote spots. I havnt been out for a while now as the weather in the weekends has been crap. This weekend is shaping up to be the same with rain starting to fall as I tap the key boards. BUGGER. I am awaiting the deliverey of a real grunty bilge pump that I am hoping will run my 2" suction nozzle & hopefuly the 3". I also have a plan for a bilge pump to run my 4" suction nozzle in the way of a subsurface type dredge. Similar to this little 3" set up but a 4" version. That's a cool little set up. It's a little sumersible only pumps round 100 lpm. Am planning on building a little 2" backpack dredge for prospecting places to put the 5" and also checking out some of the little creeks on the claim. Will probably use a little 2 stroke motor. Not sure weather to make it floating or just a plain sluice you prop up on rocks,logs etc which is all our 4" is